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Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Beginning

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#1

Just saw the movie at the first showing here. There were a total of 6 or 7 people that came to watch it…(started at 1230, guess everyone was at work)

No spoilers here…just very gory, humorous in a dark sadistic way in several parts…plenty of blood…

I think it could have been scarier and the ending…hmmm the timing was off and a bit anti climatic a bit.

Worth the money to go see though. I give it 8 out of 10:+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

Acting was pretty dang good…even with the newcomers/victims…

Mood was great

The camera work…well for the most part I liked it, but it moved tooooo quickly in alot of the parts…didnt allow you to really sink your teeth into alot of the cuts (pardon the pun) and savor the moments.

Music…it was good but I liked Part 1, 2, 3 and the 2003 music scores better…this one didnt suck but still lacked a little something something…

I think the runnign time was 80 or 84 minutes…feels to me like you could have gotten 120 minutes of great story telling in…hopefully there will be an uncut version around at some point…I know they cut to keep the pace going sometimes, but to me, I feel there is a good part of the story/scenes laying around on the editing floor somewhere. My buddy that went with me, disagreed…LOL…he told me, “What more can they show?” My answer was, " more story, blood, bloood bloooood…and of course…more blooooooooooood :slight_smile: "

Like I said, overall it’s worth seeing on the big screen. I cringed in parts…that was an added bonus for me…not many movies have done that for me… Dawn of the Dead (original) and the original TCM.

HOpe this helps someone to make their mind(s) up to go see it.

If you do see, I would love to hear your takes on it, here.

gorrifically yours,
Ron
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“Sheriff Hoyt for President”

#2

HAHA, cool review. We (wife and me) saw the ad on TV and she said ‘No way I’m going in there.’ And I said ‘I know somone who would go in there from the ZBrushCentral Board’ and then we both finished up with ‘RON!’. We had to laugh. NOW, after you posted your review… She’l get a real kick out of it tonight hahaha.

Cheers
Lemo

PS:I’ll never forget the Halloween Costume Pic from last year… Horror Clown… Now… what’s it gona be this year? Your friendly Neighborhood Chainsaw Operator?

#3

there is a new texas chansaw massacre ? i really liked the last one :smiley:

#4

:slight_smile: :smiley: :lol:

#5

I finally found the time to see TCM the Beginning.
Quite interesting. Everything you could expect from todays movie:
some sex, some horror, some murder,
plus this one has a nice addition: sickness and filth, definitely worth seeing.
I was wondering whose face will make to became Tommy’s mask.
I would give 7 out of 10, I drop 3 mainly because of over-the-top-sci-fi heroism of the young…
I like the intro ‘slideshow’.
And speaking abouth -filth- there are some very good short movies by indipendent movie makers, that would make this movie look like tale before sleep :slight_smile:
—Tomas

#6

You are right, Tomas. I hope they do another one to equal the level of storylines you speak of.

My problem with horror movies is the humor in them or alot of them. A movie that is serious about itself draws me in more. Dawn of the Dead (the original) is my favorite movie with TCM following second. Dotd made the humor mistake for me by using the pie fight scene. (something at least the remake didn’t do though they had the sacrcasm which is natural and the target shooting of the famous faces in the zombie population. And I could see doing something like that…but a pie fight…no way…)

When I watch something a bit more realistic like TCM, the movie gets me, holds me in a death grip and doesn’t let up till it is over, and then there is normally a good suprise/hint of a sequel. Like a good rollercoaster…you are screaming your guts out till the very end. That thrill is why you would ride something like that (to me) and that is the reason I love a good driving, pounding movie like TCM…makes the fantasy/illusion more believeable to me…

Friday the 13ths are another type of movie that well went from the plausible to the OMG he’s cool but I can’t believe this crap…Part 1, good story, Jason’s mother does the killing…the twist…at the end Jason comes out of the water…Part II…the boy in the lake must exist because this pretty much picks up where part I left off and Jason is grown…but Jason is introduced now taking up his mother’s cause…because he supposedly saw his mother killed…my question in that mythos is why did Jason not rescue his mother…and why didn’t Amanda Voorhees know her mentally challenged son was alive and well and living in a shack in the woods? Some of those things dont make sense but the driving factors behind the character are believable…and then we go from believeable to the ressurection, he won’t completely die, zombie serial killer icon we all know and love now.

Halloween…Michael Myers …the same thing…Hopefully Rob Zombie will help take MM back to a believable level…spooky serial killer with an agenda of death…

All are fun stories…but believable…nah…they are lacking…

Blair Witch Project…o they had me hooked until two weeks prior to opening day…then I found out it was fake…lol…egg on the fatman’s face for sure…but it was still good…and the movie itself…brilliant in it’s conception, marketing, hype, and presentation…loose improvised storyline with minimal direction left on notes for the actors to follow…in the end…believable…and not tooooo over the top…

Base a character off true accounts or historical facts and you have a winner…imho…

Alot of the anti hero icons in these movies, including Chucky, Freddy, Jason, MM, Alien, Leatherface (those immediately pop into mind) in the beginnings were scrary as hell, now though entertaining, most of them are smart mouthed characters that without good story lines have been emasculated in their true horror. Leatherface they have saved from that abyss to a certain degree.

I can only hope that the writers, creators, producers, can bring back true believable horror to the screen. For me, it’s truly missed. I am in hopes that other than a Jigsaw character that we can get a new truly horrific icon to pleague (sp?) our nightmares…

enough of the waffle…

Great to hear from you, Tomas.

Ron
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#7

I don’t know humor in horror can be entertaining for example there where some funny bits in slither :lol: I really enjoy that movie. Or see no evil the way he dies in the end :smiley:

#8

I agree, even though I enjoyed both of those films, the characters and situations were over the top and not believable to me. It was just like you said…good movies and entertaining and you can get away with that type of humor because those type of horror movies don’t even try to take themselves seriously…not putting the movies down…but they were good popcorn movies…

Just got a call, so I have to leave…but I will be back…Love this conversation.

ron

#9

Hey terror fans :+1: ,

Like you I enjoy a lot terror movies. But it is true that over the years some movies have lost that -I’m still scare after the movie- sense.
I grew up watching Friday the 13th and obviously got scared. But as I grew up I realized that it wasn’t because of the depth of the characters or the way they were presented but because those surprising appearance from nowhere of the main character to slash a poor soul… it’s almost the same as if someones sneaks up to you and shouts BOO!

One of the things that I don’t like about most terror movies is that the good guy or gal wins… I mean, we’re talking about a mean, insane and killing machine that confronts a fairly common character that manages somehow to stop the villian. Of course, you have that ending where evil still goes on but to me it’s like the team that looses to another but at the end says: Hey! next time we’ll get someother team.
Movies like TCM the beginning try to change that a bit although in my opinion the wrong way… I mean, huge and not very bright guy who hides in the back?
Other than that it was a pretty cool movie. Like Tomas said: Everything you could expect from todays movie

I think a good horror character are those whom at night you think: that could come after me and I’d be dead :sunglasses:

Take care my friends :+1:

PS.
Sorry for any misspelling, my english is a bit rusty… like my knife :angry:

#10

I thought it was an ok movie, it lacked the metaphoric and philosophic meat and two veg of great horror though. It seemed to me to be yet another run of the mill genre picture. I will watch it agin some time and hopefully discover some hidden depths.

#11

Actually just finished watching it once again…I watch it a couple of times a week if possible.

I find there are areas that could have been better the more I watch it. I think the budget was like 19 million…or the last one was…can’t remember off hand, but the story could stand a bit more meat and potatoes.

I would like to have seen more about Thomas Hewitt’s childhood. I think that would have added alot to his character. More of the strife that whacked out this, family turned cannibal.

I wouldn’t exactly call it run of the mill. Run of the mill to me are the teeny bopper popcorn movies, "I know what you did last summer, I still know what you did last summer, Scream, House of Wax (that I did enjoy), Slither, Cabin Fever (though I really liked, but didn’t take itself serious enough…would love to see a sequel with a better storyline introduced), Both of the last Exorcist movies.

But for TCM the Beginning…R Lee Ermey’s character is so strong and well acted to me. He takes center stage before Leatherface imho. I would love to know of his POW activities in Korea. He spoke of cannibalism while being held captive. They touch on this somewhat lightly to me, so it was more of a teaser of sorts.

I got to thinking about the body counts in the last 2 films…vs what John Laroquette said in the movie…33 known dead basically during their killing spree…well this movie had 7 because you can’t count the 2 at the end because of how they died. And the remake had 4 killed and 1 suicide(unless I miscounted). So that leaves 22 more victims they can show for continuity.
So there is alot more they have the plausible reason for filming in my mind.

Now if they get silly like they did with TCM New or Next Generation…I will pluck my eyes out and hunt them down…LOL…(part 4) The key is always a good storyline.

geeez look what they did to House…all those sequels …it gets silly after awhile without good stories.

this is fun…thnx

Ron
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#12

Lol. Don’t get me wrong, I still love going to see gorey pictures, I’ve been a horror fan since I was a baby, even based my Honours dissertation on horror cinema. I meant run of the mill slasher / stalker sub-genre picture. They’re still great fun to watch (and yes, it was far more interesting than most of the modern format pics), but I prefer deeper horror, thinge like Funny Games (the original). And yes, I will probably buy this film when I have the money, cause it was good fun :slight_smile:

#13

well if you buy it, be sure to get the uncut version that is out… I loved the alternate endings and deleted scenes…I like getting into the mind of the creators/writers and producers to see why they do the things they do with the finished production…some commentaries are gay, but I enjoyed this one on the dvd.

#14

I will do, cheers for the heads up

#15

I haven’t seen “House of Wax”(2005) is any good? I read about awards though: Worst Supporting Actress: Paris Hilton (no one is shocked I guess:), Raspberry Awards:
* Worst Picture * Worst Remake or Sequel ) it might not mean anything but…

Couple of weeks ago I watched 'See No Evil' I would call this movie: 'nice try', What’s with Kane's beetle-wing nails? Does it look scary to someone :qu: Watched "The Pumpkin Karver" oh boy, the only thing I like about the movie is a poster of the movie, anything else is seen in other movies… I hope Rob Zombie will do Halloween justice, I actually watched his “House of 1000 Corpses” not a long time ago, at first I thought that it is too much of a late-night-MTV-video and that is has too many events all the time to really have… culmination but I like that the hell broke loose in the end so the movie was alright. I have many DVDs unwatched that has nice covers,:idea: but as I have learned from “The Pumpkin Karver” – ‘don’t judge about a book by it’s cover’ I’m wondering what “The Ring 3”(2007) will tell, I’d say everything was told in the first two, but as they say not all the money were taken:) so they are doing “The Ring 3:The Beginning”:) The same with “Hannibal Rising”, noticed it has one Lithuanian actress (Mother Lecter) so I’m honoured . I sort of ‘want’ to see Grind House when it comes out but probably not the Quentin Tarantino part I watched ‘Rescue Me’ show yesterday where Tommy says some ‘not-nice’ things about Kill Bill and then “and Kill Bill 2? Piece of s**t” to which I agree, Pulp Fiction was great, but Kill Bill – it is just wrong, sooo wrong… ---Tomas
#16

yeah, Tomas, Grindhouse looks very promising from what I have seen.

Late winter and early spring I think are good this year for movie goers. My son is pestering me to see Ghost Rider, so I am sure I will be going :slight_smile: I believe someone from the forum here worked on the effects side of that movie.

and allllllllllll the sequels planned, this should prove to be an interesting year for all the gorehounds and thrill seekers at the movies.

ron

ps. House of Wax isn’t terrible…but it was missing a little something…they could have done so much more with it though. I think several of the kills were wayyyyyyyy too quick. They had such moody sets and I also think they weren’t utilized to their fullest.

lol always the critic, Ron…:smiley:

The Paris Hilton kill was pretty sweet too…

far as the awards and alot of reviews about movies…I dont give much credence. Not that I always disagree with them…but the movie awards they televised…to me it’s obvious it’s not the fan choices…I love Rob Zombie and his wife…but honestly, in these type of awards, it’s way too staged. There are a ton of movies better than House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil’s Rejects. Rather than a national poll on the movies, it’s probably a small handful of individuals deciding the actual awards. And who will actually show up and actually accept the awards etc… let’s face it, the horror genre has not truly recieved the respect of the film industry for the most part, just like most indy films. Legitamacy hopefully will find it’s way toward this genre of films before I die.

What do you think?

#17

I think Ron’s right about R. Lee Ermeys steeling leatherface’s thunder. It’s such a strong character with so many layers -the war years, his pride in standing alone with his family in a ghost town, his suddent change of status, etc- not to mention that I think he appears more than our good ol leatherface. It was pretty cool that we got to see a bit more of the other characters, but I felt that Thomas was kinda left behind in the process.
There are two moments in each movie that really were the highlight for me. In the first one has to be the final report footage where at the end you can “see” Thomas rage and insanity behind the mask through his eyes -Awesome Scene-
In the second one it has to be the moment where Thomas just burst out of the house with his loyal chainsaw to pursue one of the escaping characters :+1:

I really don’t remember House of Wax all that well but I do remember that what really really bother me was the crazy brother (I hope I’m not spoiling the ending for those whom haven’t seen it :roll_eyes: ) He was in no way as interesting -visual wise- as the masked one. Here the crazy character also stole the masked murder’s thunder -I have to come up with another frase :o -

In other words, in TCM The Beginning I think they managed to pull off the crazy+brute combo with relatively success… but in HOW… Oh brother! don’t get me started

If they make another TCM flick I think it would be cool and challenging to expose Thomas’s inner world… make the transition from brute to that thing that lays behind the leatherface.

Take care :+1:

PS.
I didn’t take the reviews that serious either… until I saw Catwoman… I guess they did tried to warn me afterall :roll_eyes:

#18

Yesterday a little Chainsaw Massacre happened not far from where my mother lives:
One guy was trying to sleep while his neighbour was sawing wood so the first one went outside cursing till the second started chasing with a chainsaw,
and grand finale: the one that wanted to sleep lost both (not one like in the 2003 remake) legs and bled to death. Now how about that? Real story.
Oh boy…
—Tomas

#19

Ron I’m curious what you mean by that…
I’ve watched ‘The Devil’s Rejects’ today and that sentence of yours made me wonder,
I mean yes ‘The Devil’s Rejects’ is a sequel to ‘House of 1000 Corpses’ but these are soooo
different to generalize and put it to the same shelf, ‘The Devil’s Rejects’ is freaking awesome!
I actually can’t compare it to any other movie or to say that it is better or worse than some other movie – it is just freaking awesome. If I say “I like this movie” and you say “There are a ton of movies better” what would you suggest me to watch? Do you mean there is Godfather, Casablanca etc or there is something like ‘The Devil’s Rejects’ only better? Just curious :slight_smile:

---Tomas
#20

Heyas Tomas,
I loved both of those movies, don’t get me wrong. Very stylized in that kewl Rob Zombie way. Both shot differently too…but I love em’ still the same.

What I meant by a ton of movies that are better…I was/am always talking the horror genre 99 percent of the time. What I was talking about other movies was in relation to the Fangoria televised horror awards…

far as the awards and alot of reviews about movies…I dont give much credence. Not that I always disagree with them…but the movie awards they televised…to me it’s obvious it’s not the fan choices…I love Rob Zombie and his wife…but honestly, in these type of awards, it’s way too staged
That was me venting a bit about how whether it’s the prestigeous (sp?) Oscar or the Fangoria awards…there are a handful of people deciding what’s best of the best…It would be fun to know who makes these panels of judges up etc…or a People’s choice type award…who did they contact to get those results? Now I don’t blame Rob and his wife for doing alot on the awards show I saw, primarily because it’s free advertising for him as a director etc…

and my rant also was about it taking alot of the other awards…I don’t remember them all off hand…but them honed in on 3 movies…TCM, SawIII, and Devil’s Rejects…in horror and the indies ya gotta look at allllll the horror films not just the box office bests…alot of sleeper films out there…

but there have been alot of good movies here in the last couple of years …

The Cave
The Descent
The Hills Have Eyes
Silent Hill
Saw III (though not on my favs list)
Chainsaw Massacre
Wolf Creek (good flick, coullda been better and a sequel I think is planned :smiley: )
Murder Set Pieces (good if you love gore and violence…though the acting is a bit wanky)
Slither (though not on my fav list has some juicy gore)
Feast (long awaited, under rated, not the best but on their budget did a goreific job)
…
House of Wax…not terrible, but it needed some work…was missing a little something something…

that’s just a few that come to mind…and now thru Spring 07 at least, the horror genre is looking very friendly for us.

Dead Silence looks fun, as well as Grindhouse to name two.

Gotta check but a remake or sequel to Cannibal Holocaust is in the works…a cult genre fav in my book. Has no redeeming qualities for civilized audiences…muhhahhahahaaa…

yeah, I am ocd about horror… :slight_smile: that’s what makes Ron, Ron…

Ron
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ps…Catwoman…hmmmmmm…Daredevil was better imho… :wink:

Geez audiences would die if they did a movie like catwoman with a male in the same type role…

Picture, a guy …very nerdy…abused by the females around him in society and the work place…and bad things happen to him…he is built like Ryan Reynolds and very submissive…and he is transformed into…a normal husband :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

lol that is why I love horror…because rather than a right out Hero type…that normal husband would be turned slowly into a serial killer…and secretly to all the married men of the world he would be a hero…but in public they would condemn him as a monster…to save face with the female populace of course…doing what all men fantasize about at some point in their relationships…muhahahahhaa…ladies and plz…no hate mail…it was a joke…(wink wink wink guys;) )

laterz taterz

pssssss…btw…I do not condone murder or harm to others…it just makes for interesting reading, viewing on the big screen and idle talk…