All I did was ask them about POSER and they suddenlly look down on me with disgust! I know it’s a forum for “professionals” but is POSER an “unprofessional” software to use or something?
Omg… he dropped the P-Bomb…
:lol: Rainer
PS:There are a few threads about it here. All quite friendly but saturated with the information you seek. Search for them.
Will I recieve just as much hate? Or are people here more open minded about these things?
I just wanted to start a discussion about a Poser - ZBrush workflow. Y’know, take a Poser figure, pose him, then dramatically mutate him in Zbrush. Is something like that frowned upon?
What do you want to know…I’ve learned to duck the bullets. :lol:
I used poser for a while, il put my hands up. I got it for my riging, animation and rendering. There are loads of people on this forum that have used Poser, but yes it does give a un-professional vibe due to what its normaly used for.
There is no reason for anyone being rude on forums, if they dont like your thread it should be ignored not spat on for the sake of it.
Im sure if you ask a poser question alot of people will help, just dont ask the “is poser is as good as Max,” that normaly gets people fired up lol.
Edit:
I see that the question you asked was not about poser itself, but rather about the forum not having poser space within CG Talk.
Thing about the wording professional is that it just means to earn a living. I think the sting of such a program comes from a artest point a view. Iv read lots fo debates on this subject and there is always a few directions in which it ends, which im not going to open up.
Alot can be learnt from Poser as its simple yet complexed. It alows you to grow with the application and learn about composing a pose , gesture, weight, expression, lighting, scene setup, render nodes, texture, bump, displacments. The results are not the best but alot can be learnt from it.
Don’t know you, never met you, on next Valentines’s Day will send you
chocolates.
You are saying what I have been mentioning for years.
The fact that you mentioned the word here will get you “leper”
status
I use Poser, buy accessories from Daz.
Integrate Poser scenes with Vue, Carrara and Maya ( with Power Fusion).
Even have made money with the program
Marcel ( a french artist who’s work I suggest you look at) once
said he would pour honey into the back of a computer if he thought
the image would improve.
Nothing is off the table, it’s the results that count.
Poser is used in the industry quite often for various reasons, most of them
having to do with time.
To be fair there are threads here with Poser information, and questions regarding Poser are answered. Marcus Civis ( bless his heart) has even
developed a plugin for Poser. ( From what I understand, Pixologic staff
did not talk to him for about a month)
There are few books by Michael Burns in which tuturials are presented by various artists using Poser and Zbrush together.
You would think that a popular ( and it is) program such as that and
a great one such as this would have more information.
Remember that Poser really does not lend itself to monsters, ghouls, goblins
Zbrush is where you make those to put in a good Poser scene:D
Poser images, generally reflect a type of impression, that the Zbrush artist
on whole stays away from…pleasant and glamorous.
If you doubt me look on the top row, on any given day, on any given
week, in any given month, for any given year.
Classify the images and your impressions.
Go to any Poser home world Daz, Renderosity, etc look at their images.
Finally while you are at such places as CG talk look at the individual forums
and images presented. Look at the zbrush section, answers will present themselves…
What was the question again?
( by the way congratulations, you got lemonnado to respond )
its you, yer prick
I have been searching through forums for a long time,
and have never found a community that compares to ZBrushCentral!
A matter of fact, if it was not for ZBrushCentral i bet that 25% of the
people who picked up Zbrush would have gave up on it if they couldn’t
get answers from the problems that always arise.
I believe that this community is a huge part of ZBrushs’ success.
What was the question?
I second that ZSmoke… I’ve been online daily for 11 years (since age 13) and have never encountered another community like ZBrushCentral
CGSociety is gigantic and I imagine it offers a lot more commercial opportunity… you’ll make more connections, find more contests with big expensive prizes, more job leads, plus the portfolio… but in my personal experience, you will rarely find the place to be half as helpful and friendly as ZBC… if you want to improve as an artist and hang out with some really awesome, creative people… this is the place to be
If by my response to the members question about Poser, I
inadvertently insulted zbrush or its forum or it’s staff
or its’s members that was not my intention.
Nor was it the members intent I gather.
I was simply trying to point out certain “failings” in the Poser
area.
If by my response I suggested that zbrush was not
an excellent forum, or it’s members not generous and talented ,or it not
the best program on the market, or not the best source of users
on a multitude of abuse substances, or it’s members the result
of incestuous relationship, or being the “Halloween Site”, or the source
of body parts both human and animal.
Everyone knows that this is the place to be when seeking monsters,
ghouls, images of people over 100, mutants, deviants.
Total images of beauty, glamour, should not even be mentioned
here. You must go elsewhere for those type of images.
I forgot my place, and spoke of the unspoken.
Must be slow day in a lot of places.
edit: tjx…now you know what happens in Poser threads
viva vicki 4!!!
Well my intent for Poser/Zbrush sure as hell ain’t for making glamorious beautiful people that’s for sure. It’s to help me make people period, as character design is one of the hardest and challenging aspects of CGI. In my experience, most CG animations students tend to avoid designing realistic characters or even “realistic” looking monsters (yeah i know what i said:D ) let alone animate characters. This, IMO, is probably because of the time needed just to sculpt a realistic looking human in the first place.
With Poser, at least you have a base rigged character to begin with. I think as long as you take that character into ZBrush, and make your own changes such as adding costumes, gears, changing the face you’re still being creative and original. Now am I wrong about this?
Btw, slighty OT, but I don’t get why VUE does not get “leper” status with CG Talk. It’s another 3D software in which things aren’t created from scratch. You got premade/predefined trees and landscapes with settings that you can tweak just like Poser has premade characters whose settings you can also tweak.
Attitude towards Poser is a form of snob, elitist, who needs it thing.
Mostly from hobbyists who do not work and do not suffer time constraints.
Why should you buy that which will only take you about a month to make?
The ability to create forms in a 3d program is a right of passage to some.
Besides the benefits of it is that it keeps them home instead of at
drivebys and deliholdups and rehab meetings
The real guilty ones are the people who use if for work everyday and
do not mention it. They are not really cheatiing because all in the work
know that it has been used, just not outside.
Gossip item: what really big movie edited a dvd feature because
it showed a Poser program on the artists screen?
Vue has picked up status lately in that ILM has given it the nod
of recognition. Most recently with the Pirates of Staten Island movies.
( you didn’t think Depp was really on an island with no dealer?)
Also there are not that many “good” programs that do the same job.
You are really limited to Vue and/or Bryce ( name from the past)
The use of Poser is not the real point, nor is it’s place in the 3d
world, they are here, they ain’t hurtin and countless people use
it.
Now what doesn’t make sense is that a program such as Zbrush which
bends over backwards toward programs like Maya, Max etc.can not
throw a few crumbs to a program that sells well.
If for nothing else then to increase it’s market share.
Again there are tutorials in books and online that mention Zbrush and
it’s use in the creating of morphs and textures for the “Big P”, but
you have to look for them. And, unfortuately, this forum is the
first place to start.
Sorry you started this yet?
Yeah, I just finished a base model in MAX for a rifle that will be held by my character. I’m now in the learning process of sculpting out finer details to my rifle model in ZBrush, and then make a Normal Map out of it. It’s amazing how much you can learn after an hour or so of watching the ZClassroom videos.
Also, since you mentioned Vue, think you can give me some tips sometime on exporting stuff out to VUE6? Thx in advance.
Was it also Pirates of Carribean?
Fun thing is that I almost do NOT know anyone who has NOT some version of Poser… How else can one get cheap CG models if need be?! 
Rainer
alot of people use it, i use it!!! not in conjunction with zbrush, but usually for storyboarding (as i struggle to draw) yet do ok on the 3d modeling(interesting no??). there is a tutorial i believe that is available on here. if you can find it, there are snobs on here and alot of people who are abit too immature to be civil to those who want help, i haven’t experienced it on here myself(as havent posted much) but endure, there is a consistant sense of communitee here that people experienced can be very helpful. however there are some who are here to take away instead of give. and shame on them. once you find what you wanted to learn, post it for others. i plan too soon lol
Cheers
Carl
It was the Zbrush comminity that brought me into 3D modling in the first place.
I personly prefer to rig in Carrara myself, but my intention was never to use the premade content other than learning and testing from.
The user FS, on render city shows what can be done in the right hands, even with a older version of poser.
exporting stuff out to VUE6?
Only suggestion I can make and I CANNOT
underline this enough.
Render using hdri and play with the settings.
You, especially. Vue for some reason and I have mentioned
this in another thread, can render a Poser model with a quality
that makes it look real. Same for their (daz) other stuff.
How I get the time to write crap like this, is I am waiting for Vue
renders to finish on another computer 
One final note not regarding Poser.
Zbrush also gets the short end of the stick in one
area I know off.
There is a lot of work being done in areas where zbrush is
used and credit is not given to it.
One late night show uses graphics whose textures was created
in this program for one instance.
Was not “Pirates”.( edited movie)
Sorry to bore you all,this must be a weird Saturday all over.
Thank you all for letting me “vent”.
If anything Poser saves you the trouble of making your own rigged skeleton from the ground up. From one of the threads I’ve read here, (http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc/showthread.php?t=020353)
you can basically make your figure in ZBrush from the ground up, export it to Poser, use one of the poser skeletons and then pose your zbrushed made figure any way you want. Now to those elitetists, is it a crime to pose one’s figure in Poser??