my good friend is a oil painter and tattoo artist who is very skilled. Now I’ve had this arguement with him because I’m a 3d artist and I fully believe that 3d art is actual art. He says that it’s “just a cool hobby” that because we use the computer and have the undo option, and set handicaps such as A semitry that it’s not real art. That a painter has to has far more precision and skill, same with a real traditional sculptor. So I bring the topic to the Zbrush public and see what you guys think. Hes not saying it doesn’t take skill or artistic knowledge, but more so the medium.
What is true art?
is tattooing true art? is human skin a true canvas?
art is in the eye of the beholder, anybody who says different is a snob
symmetry and undo are no different than the wireframe under your clay model and smoothing it with a wet rag. early steps.
try this. draw a face 2d. sculpt a face in 3d. which is faster?
i love both, i started out doing 2d for 20yrs, and now 3d for the last 6, i’ve yet to be able to accomplish what i could with a pencil/ink/watercolor. there are so many things you can fake or allow an impression of in 2d that are very difficult to do in 3d.
let your friend give zbrush a shot. i had one who thought exactly the same.
that being said i have no idea what “art” is. if its expression, then the medium does not matter.
The never endig discussion “What is Art”
Tell your friend that a traditional oil painting or sculpture is not automatically Art. It can be well executed crap.:lol:
Your friend definitely doesn`t know how we work.
Sure, we have the undo and everything, but without the honed skills, they ain`t worth anything.
A ZBrush artist need to have the abilities to conceive things in 3D space, just like any real world sculptor.
I dont know how u guys are, but in my uni, we were taught all of the natural medium arts for a year, before allowing to touch a computer. The reason being, [If you cant work on the underlying basics, theres no way itll look good on computer.]
Software, no matter how amazing, are tools and mean to achieve the end result.
Hi guys. I’m an Acrylic painter, Tattooist AND 3d Artist. I also sculpt in clay but I haven’t done that in quite some time (but I wish I could).
Creativity is what it’s all about, but let me tell you my two favorite tools are the pencil and the pixol. In my opinion 3d art is the highest art form in our age.
And it’s only going to get better with solid 3d printing and all that.
Yes, right on! Art is the expression of your imagination, in whatever form.
Allow me to quote Scott Adams…
“Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing wich ones to keep”
I like this enough to add it to my signature:rolleyes:
Art is in the eye of the beholder.
2D art is boring for me. It’s yesterday’s art. 3D is the future. Whether somebody thinks 3D is art or not is irrelevant in the grand scale of things.
I look forward to the day when anybody can create art in minutes. There’s nothing particularly admirable about spending seven years creating a static sculpture. If anything it’s kinda sad.
Art is what the clients pay for…
Rainer
really? so all the other “art” that was never commissioned isn’t art? prehistoric cave paintings, aboriginal art(current as well), culture after culture of expression, oh and should we even say Van Gogh.
i’m really shocked at that way of thinking, but to each their own.
I think the guy was just being sarcastic.
Like when our work wont get approve and goes to the publics eye, no matter how good we thought they are, due to idea conflict with the clients.
Well…There is no undo button in solid stone. And when you turn off the computer you turn off your art. And good luck getting a 13ft 3d print that can stand let alone last 500 years.
To paraphrase, he meant “Art is what people perceive to be art”.
And to get absolutely technical, prehistoric cave paintings weren’t art until we labeled them as art. Modern society views it as art, because it was the first step into a larger world of art, but it wasn’t created with artistic intention- it was part of a tribal/religious process to bring good luck to the hunt 
just sayin
lol
Art happens
For me not in 3d yet most is Illustrations.
There are many definitions for the word “art.”
ART
–noun
- the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
- the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
- a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
- the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
- any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
- (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
- the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
- the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
- skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
- a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.
- arts,
a. (used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
b. (used with a plural verb) liberal arts. - skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
- trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
- studied action; artificiality in behavior.
- an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
- Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.
To say that anything with an undo button isn’t art, is a totally random statement. A pencil drawing has an “undo” button. It’s called an eraser. That doesn’t make it any less art just because it can be erased, does it?
They have an “undo” button for ugly, unwanted tattoos, too. It’s called a laser.
Does your friend ever use any “handicaps” like photo reference, or is he so great an artist, that he pulls it all out of his head, or somewhere else?
If ZBrush does it all for you, and it doesn’t take talent, why are their people who excel in ZBrush, and people who don’t? Why do people get better at ZBrush with practice? Why is there different styles of sculpts in these forums using the same exact software?
There are people who use ZBrush who are also adept at traditional media, as well.
Show your friend the artwork below. It was done with traditional tools. Ask him if he thinks that alone makes it art. Then tell him it was done by a chimpanzee. See if he still thinks it’s art.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.
ZBrush is a means to an end, that’s all.
There are people who think tattoos are art. Fine. That’s their opinion.
For me personally, I think tattoos are ugly. I consider them as body graffiti, or even self mutilation of the human body, which I consider to be a piece of art in itself. When I see Megan Fox, and Angelina Jolie covering their beautiful bodies with ugly tattoos, it’s a turnoff. Hey, to each his own.
that chimpanse is a total pollock copycat.
He hasnt got any creativity of his own and hes doing it all wrong.
LOL You tell him that. He’s not only a talented artist; he’s also an expert in monkey style Kung Fu.
